Sunday, January 6, 2008

Hebrew vs. Greek Mindsets

Thank you all fro your comments on the last post. I know this stuff isn't sexy but it's important to give a a general understanding of what's to come. Remember, I'm not a teacher, I'm a student. I'm counting on you to pray for discernment, ask questions and leae provacative comments. I'm journalizing my thoughts to inspire all of us. Once we get past the dry stuff I'm sure you will be blown away. As stated previously, I was raised in a Christian home surronded by Christian family on all sides outside the home. A lot of my preconceptions have been bent opening a whole new understanding. Today, my relationship with Jeus is exponentially stronger and I'm just starting.

Here's the next installment, you may want to put on a pot of coffee first.

The Bible was written by Hebrews. I'm going to use the term Hebrew to avoid you being confused by Judaism. I don't know anything about Judaism so I can't comment on it. I will say I have a new respect for the Jewish faith, I may cover some of that in future posts.

The Bible was written from a Hebrew perspective. Our western culture is based upon a Greek mindset. There are distinct differences.

The Hebrew mindset focuses on works. They ask what are you doing? The Greek mindset is based upon beliefs. They ask what do you believe? The difference is huge. The Greek mindset is about the intellect and loves to espouse their thoughts. The Hebrew mindset could care less what you think. They don't care if you think you should take care of the poor, the Hebrew mindset says go out and shovel the snow off your 80 year old neighbours sidewalk. It's about actions not words. A verse in James comes to mind (James 2:14-17)

The Hebrew mindset asks lots of questions. The Greek mindset gives out lots of answers. The Hebrew mindset wants to know all the facts before forming an opinion. The Greek mindset wants to spurt out everything they know. Chew on that one for a minute, then take give a listen to the news networks or the people at the office. Everyone has a solution.

The Hebrew mindset reveres old people. They understand that gray hair brings wisdom. The Greek mindset worships youth and vigor.

The Hebrew mindset states there is one God, Hear oh Israel the LORD is God, the LORD is one. (Deut 6:4 NIV), In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God (John 1:1 NIV). The Greek minset has multiple Gods.

I'll back this next point up with future posts because its a deep one. Pray over the points above and think about them when you read this next point. The Hebrew mindset states that there is only one God. As stated in the verses above, Jesus is God. The Greek mindset would have us believe that there are three Gods. The rough dare I say mean God of the Old Testament who slaughtered millions of innocent people, the loving barefooted Son of the New Testatment who walked around healing and showing love and the Holy Spirit who now resides with us while the two other God's sit up in Heaven. The idea of a trinity is a translational Greek mindset concept. There is no reference to a trinity in the Word. There is one God, Jesus, Yeshua Ha Meschiach in Hebrew. Jesus is the creator of everything, He is our salvation, He is LORD.

Now, I know this is a lot to put together. I'll do my best to pull some of this together with a little history of how we came to this point. It's still pretty dry and I'm going to try to share the condensed version without losing the value. Hopefully you will stick it out, I believe (Greek mindset?) your world will be rocked.

120 comments:

Liquid said...

I like the Hebrew mindset already.

Actions NOT words.

Hmmmmmm.

I am going to enjoy this study.
Thank you for sharing it with us!

Much~

Sian said...

It's good stuff. Keep it coming :)

Kathy said...

You're right, it's getting deep. But I'm hanging in there with you.
Is this from a certain book you are studying or a class you're attending?

74WIXYgrad said...

The law is in Hebrew. The law is our teacher.

In Genesis, God(Elohim) said. Let us make man in our image, after our likeness(Genesis 1:26).

Looks to be a good study.

Warren Peace said...

Thanks for the encouragement everyone. I'm honestly leaning on you all to pray about this.

Kathy, I'll drop you an email with the details.

kasper794 said...

I really think I will enjoy this study. So far I'm following and I agree with the Hebrew mindset over the Greek. Keep it coming you are doing a terrific job.

Mantle said...

Hi Pilgrim

While I honestly think that a focus on action and how our beliefs affect how we live (as shown through Jesus teachings that if we love him we will obey him)is an incredible mindset, I am wondering why it has to be action over belief. Can right belief which leads to right action not be a compatible option? Wasn't belief also important to the Hebrew mind? They afterall believed that the LORD is ONE as opposed to many different gods. They also studied and debated Torah in order to know what to believe about it so they could live it out.

I am also curious as to your reference to the trinity? Although the word trinity is not found in the Bible I would argue that the concept is an attempt to explain the teaching in Scripture that Jesus is God, and the Father is God, and also that the Holy Spirit is God.

I hope that my thoughts add to your discussion.

JCFreak said...

Belief MUST always come first. There are many who act they way Jesus wants them to, but do not believe. Good acts do not make Godly people. BUT....Godly people do good acts. How often do we here someone say "I believe" but witness actions that seem to prove the opposite. Faith AND works go together. You can do good works and not have faith, the BIG question is, can you truly have faith without good works? I say not as having faith means being a follower of Christ. Being a follower of Christ means submitting fully to Him in total obedience. Which equates to 'doing' what Jesus tells us to do. We may learn here that although the Hebrew mind set is based on works, those works may be based on obedience to God (I hope)---Teach on brother)

Paraphrased quote from Ghandi after sudying in England---"If Christians actually did what Christ told them to do, I may have become a Christian".

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stacys1175 said...

WOW!! I really enjoyed reading your post but I dont think I understood it. part of me is ashamed to say that but another part of me is thankful that I can read something like this and take it in and hopefuly understand it :)

Frasypoo said...

I missed a few past posts so I will come back to read them in order

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Sindi said...

Warren,
I am still here reading, and learning. I am more inclined to the Hebrew way of thinking but I also agree with what jcfreak had to say. Keep posting because I want to learn more.:)

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Anders Branderud said...

There is a difference between the historical Ribi Yehoshua ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) and J… desribed in the “gospels”.
A logical analysis (found in www.netzarim.co.il (Netzarim.co.il is the website of the only legitimate Netzarim-group)) (including the logical implications of the research by Ben-Gurion Univ. Prof. of Linguistics Elisha Qimron of Dead Sea Scroll 4Q MMT) of all extant source documents of “the gospel of Matthew” and archeology proves that the historical Ribi Yehosuha ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) from Nazareth and his talmidim (apprentice-students), called the Netzarim, taught and lived Torah all of their lives; and that Netzarim and Christianity were always antithetical.
It is important to distinguish the two polar-opposites - the authentic, historical, PRO-Torah 1st-century Ribi from Nazareth and the 4th-century (post-135 C.E.), arch-antithesis ANTI-Torah apostasy developed by the Hellenists (namely the Sadducees and Roman pagans who conspired to kill Ribi Yәhoshua ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah), displaced his original followers Netzarim and redacted the NT). (Source: www.netzairm.co.il)

Study the Netzarim-website thourougly and find out the difference between the historical Ribi Yehoshua, and the antithesis J….. of Christianity.

The "gospels" are influenced by the Hellenist mindset, which contradicts the Hebrew mindset of the Jewish Bible.

Anders Branderud

justjim said...

there is no such thing as "good works" and no faith. Everywhere in Romans, James, etc says "dead works" = "no faith". James said you will see my faith through my works. No you don't work towards heaven. It's just that if your works are self based they are not good. It says that you will no them by their fruit. If it's good then they are connected to the vine of life.

Just my 5 cents - justjim

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Shalom to All,
Hebrew vs Greek mindsets:
Well put Pilgrim, If we are to Renew our minds as Yeshua asked us to do how can we do it from a Greek mindset, especially since Yeshua had a Hebrew one. Yeshua's word was and is The Torah, John 1:1..
To help us move away from the Greek mindset I believe we ought read more of The Torah. Psalms 11:3 say " What Shall The Righteous Do If The Foundation Be Gone". I believe the Foundation is the Torah and all we have to do is read it, just like the Exodus, they had to walk out, ie action.
Just like the Talmidei [Apostles] of Yeshua had many many works [actions] as well as much much Faith, which allowed them and allows us to do Works Of Righteousness, instead of academic endeavors.
We may only have a few years left to sort this out, all of us.Yeap it is not easy but overcome-able.
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